Friday, 18 November 2011

NOV-15-LIVE-HG-MPD SB-2.5.18 - There is no substance in material energy, it only has effects.

If you cannot percieve anything, accept the authority.

Two things we can challange to the scientist:
1. How life came into existance and
2. How this planetary system came.

sattavam rajas tama iti
nirgunasya gunas traya
sthiti sarga nirodheshu
grihita mayayo vibho


Translation:
The Supreme Lord is pure spiritual form, transcendental to all material qualities, yet for the sake of the creation of the material world and its maintenance and annihilation, He accepts through His external energy the material modes of nature called goodness, passion and ignorance.

Every body is affected by three modes of nature, which are qualities energy of the lord.

We are knower who is knowing the field of energy and he sees and gets entangled. But lord does not get entangled.

There is a substance and there is a quality. ex. fire and light.

Material energy does not have variety or intelligence, but it is real energy of the lord. Just like watching permutation and combination of different colours of lights.

Accepts the material qualities To duplicate the spiritual qualities (perverted version) for Jivas.

Soul has gyanendriya and karmendriya. They will be situated in mixture of the gunas(contaminated state)

There is no substance but only Qualities exists in material nature.

Pradhana

Material energy will have an effect. effect has definite beginning and end (temporary). Gunas are not substance but the effects.  Substance is eternal. effects are changing.
  • Body is flux of atom and always changing is sattva guna.
  • To know soul is transcendental to material gunas is Shuddha sattva.
  • Considering this world and body as real and permanent is tamoguna.
  • To try to control the energy is Rajoguna.

Three modes of material nature does not affect pure devotee. They know that it is play of nature.

Self centered activity is Rajoguna. Activity itself is not rajoguna.

What contradicts three gunas is trancedental knowledge.

He will live feel and see the material energy but he will not get affected by them. Here body is different and hand is diffrent. In spiritual world, body and hands are all conscious of themsleves.

Q. How the material energy Kshetra and spirit soul Kshetragya relate to. or how spirit soul accepts the modes of nature-the technique behind it?
A. Link is the supersoul. He translates the matter to Gunas for Jiva. Thus he enables Jiva to read life elements

Krishna is God, this Conviction is there in field. Not in the soul initially.When body is purified, conviction vibrates and nishtha comes and in this way soul is convinced.

Wood is substance and its effects are quality is wrong conception. Wood is in itself a quality. Substance should last eternally. Considering body is substance is bondage and considering it a quality is liberation. Vasudeva sarvam iti. Every thing is Vasudev and his energies.

Mayavadis says everything is illusion, but the Vaishnavas says that every thing is real energy of the lord.


Idea of "material substance" as a substance itself is an effect.

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